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You know, I understand hating a band, and I can even understand hating a band more than you already might because its popularity or critical acceptance seems out of whack to you, but I don't understand this sort of gratuitous Hating we encounter so often anymore.

I've only heard one Vampire Weekend song (over at the Dusted site), and it seemed like something I could like. But I already know, without trying, a lot about their so-called divisiveness. Whenever any new artist gets any kind of positive buzz, there seems to be these people that come out of the woodwork, whose sole reason for existing appears to be to take artists down a notch. Anonymous attacks, derisive comments about sweaters, bullshit like that. It's like people can't accept that someone else is excited about something, anything. Really tedious.

Also, thanks for highlighting the ClapClap post. He's been posting so rarely that I often forget about him altogether...

"At any rate, I still question whether the hate is truly as bad as defenders would think. The last time I made this comment it was in relation to Feist; namely, that the music should make you love it or leave you ambivalent. It’s not confrontational enough to inspire anything more."

This, I think, points to what I was saying in my first comment. People hated Feist, if they did, largely because she was getting so much praise. Some people apparently can't stand that.

As for Vampire Weekend bringing this all on themselves... I can see that, but it seems to me that they may have stepped into it because of their perception of this whole culture of Hype/Hating/Backlash. So maybe they amp up the irony in anticipation, dunno.

As distastefull so much self-linking can (or has) become, I really think it's warranted here.

http://neonhustle.blogspot.com/2007/11/they-graduated-from-columbia-they-seem.html

Over 2 months ago, I suppose I was a part of the VW "backlash" with my thoughts on the band's "Blue CD-R" that was making the round online. I think that my points remain valid (and we scooped that MarathonPacks post by a day) so I hope people will check that one out.

Since the proper release of "VW," I agree with Pitchfork that the best tracks seem the least in love with their afropop affectation, and that the band is likely influenced as much by Mark Motherbaugh's Wes Andersen score work as they are Ladysmith (well, maybe not QUITE as much, but still...)

I also still find the term "Upper-West Side Soweto is totally offensive and insensitive at best, and I don't give the band a pass for doing their own amateur PR work. At some point intellectual decisions are made to either defend one's own rhetoric or not, and VW have failed to do so in my humble opinion.

Brendan, thanks for reminding me of your post. I read it back when I discovered your site in December, though at the time had only listened to two or three VW songs.

Still, at the time I vaguely disagreed with you, and now that I've listened to more tracks (I haven't picked up the full album but I have six or seven of the songs that have been floating around since last year), I still disagree with you.

I was discussing my above post with my wife last night (she hadn't read it yet) and she brought up the simple point that VW, in fact, are not pretentious. They're not throwing up some kind of Ivy League/preppie schtick, a la Boyz II Men in their matching sweaters and plaids--they are Ivy League preppies. They're not "exploiting" the music or people of Africa - the afropop is a gloss, and "Cape Cod Kwassa Kwassa" is about afropop being a gloss. The key line is not the "Peter Gabriel" line; it's "stayed up all night / to see the dawn / in the colors of Benneton" - a reference to Olivero Toscani's controversial ad campaign for the clothing ling. What Toscani did is fraught with real controversy - nothing like what VW are doing. If it weren't for this one song, and the PR sheet that accompanied it when it was first released, the band wouldn't be experiencing this backlash (you might also argue that they wouldn't be experiencing success, either).

If anything, as my wife argued last night, VW are completely honest about what they're doing. Transparant, even. (This is precisely what Barthel is reacting to in his post.) I think they're too up front about their background, and too much a part of a well-established WESTERN pop lineage, to be considered truly exploitive, or anything other than a terrific pop band.

Two things to note: First, I don't mean to hide my disdain for preppies, but it is only a disdain rooted in traditional liberal white middle-class guilt and nothing any more sinister. I don't begrudge anybody their acceptance to a good college, and I certainly don't expect what I refer to as "authenticity of experience" to ignore personal background, etc.

Second, I think you do way too much work that Koenig and co. seem to refuse to. You claim that it's all innocent enough because they are genuine preppies, yet their self-awareness allows for both safe references to Luis Vuitton and somehow maybe an implied... what? Criticism of Benneton? Why? Preppies wear Bennton, or at least they type of college freshman who rocks the LV is probably gonna find the brands in the same marketplace.

If they are merely representing personal-ish experience- hearts a-twitter, yuppies in love, etc- I certainly won't hold Koenig's feet to the fire for not lambasting the chick he's trying to make out with, but that will just reify the sense that preppies are dicks and that it's easy not to care about the world when you have means to ignore it.

VW can't have it both ways just to sidestep/preempt their critics. Further, I think you're just nonresponsive to the question of VW's juxtaposing the privileged elite of their own apparent lifestyles with the degradation of South Africa in a region whose poverty is largely the lecgacy of Apartheid ghettoization itself. Upper-West Side Soweto has a nice ring to it, but it's still kinda fucked up.

>>yet their self-awareness allows for both safe references to Luis Vuitton and somehow maybe an implied... what? Criticism of Benneton?

No, not a criticism of Benneton; a recognition that what VW are doing, and what the fictional girl in their song is doing, is a continuum of what Peter Gabriel did and what Benneton did, among others--a crossing of cultures and class divisions, some more politicized (Benneton) than others (the girl). To criticize VW's "juxtaposing," as you put it, is to criticize them all, many more so than VW.

Koenig is not mocking the girl in his song, because the very song itself is guilty of what the girl is guilty of.

Hi Scott, Transparency doesn't give you a pass on anything. People who are like, "Oh, I'm an asshole" are still assholes. Consciousness of it does not make you a better person, it just makes you a conscious asshole.

I've actually been to Soweto multiple times, and I feel very comfortable saying that the guys in VW are utter dipshits for saying that nonsense. The fact that they're smart enough to know better makes it worse, IMHO.

Also, I do have plenty of Afropop in my collection. And I'm not that impressed by what VW has done with their influences either.

i completely agree with you. just put on the record, let it play, and enjoy it! I know that's what i did. And what i love about VW is even though they are getting so big they are still the down to earth people.
They are not caught up in the fame.

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